Interview with former chief Swedish epidemiologist Professor Johan Giesecke, who reveals that he is 'watching with interest' how Australia and other countries come out of lockdown. Giesecke questions the effectiveness of the draconian measures taken and the wisdom of the UK government for basing its policy on Imperial College's flawed, non-peer-reviewed paper, championing instead Sweden's 'evidence-based' approach, which relies on social distancing and good old-fashioned handwashing.

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